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"The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:10 pm
by Meneldur Olvarion
Interesting article:

[quote="Thomas Nagel (in the NYT")"][...] The physical sciences, in spite of their extraordinary success in their own domain, necessarily leave an important aspect of nature unexplained. Further, since the mental arises through the development of animal organisms, the nature of those organisms cannot be fully understood through the physical sciences alone. Finally, since the long process of biological evolution is responsible for the existence of conscious organisms, and since a purely physical process cannot explain their existence, it follows that biological evolution must be more than just a physical process, and the theory of evolution, if it is to explain the existence of conscious life, must become more than just a physical theory.

This means that the scientific outlook, if it aspires to a more complete understanding of nature, must expand to include theories capable of explaining the appearance in the universe of mental phenomena and the subjective points of view in which they occur – theories of a different type from any we have seen so far.[/quote]
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... s/?hp&_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: "The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:45 pm
by Lúthien
That seems to be wisely stated. though I'm sure that the Dawkinses have their smug answers to that, too :s

Re: "The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:02 am
by Meneldur Olvarion
Oh, no doubt. But, apparently from this BBC documentary, Einstein thought that quantum entaglement was an absolute crock of shit and had this long, sometimes rather heated, series of debates with Niels Bohr about it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -nightmare" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, the reports I've read about these debates say that they did not degenerate to personal animosity, but I bet you that if either one of them had an ego the size of Richard Dawkins', things would have gotten ugly very quickly. The whole "cult of personality" thing, you know.

///Dave

Re: "The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:17 am
by Lúthien
Yep, indeed.
Didn't come Einstein's quote "God doesn't play dice" from that debate?

I'm inclined to think that having a super-inflated ego should automatically disqualify that person's statements from serious consideration. Or maybe even that such an ego is a sickness in itself, interfering with the patient's sound judgement.