Painting of Queens of Numenor

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Painting of Queens of Numenor

Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Fri May 24, 2013 1:43 am

I rather like the following painting, as I think it captures their emotional characters rather well (insofar as we have narrative data).

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Now, I know that many of you here are artists, and so may object to it on some technical ground(s). But for a dude like me whose artistic skill may rise to drawing a stick figure brandishing its fist with a bubble caption over its head saying, "I live in a van down by the river! (but am soon to move to a house in Georgia)", it suits my purposes. :-)

Their names, from left to right, are:

1) Princess Silmarien
2) Queen Tar-Ancalimë
3) Queen Tar-Telperiën
4) Queen Tar-Vanimeldë (her name means 'Beautiful Beloved')
5) Queen Tar-Míriel (or consort Ar-Zimraphel)

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Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Fri May 24, 2013 5:11 am

Sorry, couldn't resist re the 'River' metaphor:



Lyrics:

I come from down in the valley
Where mister when you're young
They bring you up to do like your daddy done
Me and Mary we met in high school
When she was just seventeen
We'd ride out of that valley down to where the fields were green

We'd go down to the river
And into the river we'd dive
Oh down to the river we'd ride

Then I got Mary pregnant
And man that was all she wrote
And for my nineteenth birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat
We went down to the courthouse
And the judge put it all to rest
No wedding day smiles no walk down the aisle
No flowers no wedding dress

That night we went down to the river
And into the river we'd dive
Oh down to the river we did ride

I got a job working construction for the Johnstown Company
But lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy
Now all them things that seemed so important
Well mister they vanished right into the air
Now I just act like I don't remember
Mary acts like she don't care

But I remember us riding in my brother's car
Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir
At night on them banks I'd lie awake
And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
Now those memories come back to haunt me
They haunt me like a curse
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true
Or is it something worse
That sends me down to the river
Though I know the river is dry
That sends me down to the river tonight
Down to the river
My baby and I
Oh down to the river we ride...


I know that Luthien doesn't like Springsteen, but maybe this article will shed some light on those of us who do: [link]

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Re: Painting of Queens of Numenor

Post by Lúthien » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Davy Willis Lee wrote: I know that Luthien doesn't like Springsteen, but maybe this article will shed some light on those of us who do: [link]
Despite that, I can still see how that works though. I think that I consider his music 'not my cup of tea' because of the way that I listen to music. Which is that I don't get anywhere near the lyrics if the music doesn't also appeal to me. If I hear a Bruce Springsteen song on the radio, the image immediately presents itself of a man who makes a very physical kind of music, in a similar way as someone who is digging a hole or chopping wood. Which was amplified by seeing him pictured wearing a sweatband around his forehead (like a tennis player). The music has a physical, chunky, repetitive quality and when Springsteen'sbest-known chorus then exists of a repeated "Born ... in the USA ... born! ... in the USA ... BORN .... (etcetera)" (which I remember thinking of like "I wonder why he stresses that so much?") - I probably unconsciously decided that this is not for me.

Which is actually a pity because I'll readily believe that he has got something more to say; that he has written a couple of interesting songs at least.

It's not just with Bruce Springsteen .. I've had many discussions with people along the lines of
- What?? You don't like {insert artist name}?
- Well, no, not really ...
- But that song {insert song name} is really AMAZING!
- I bet you're right, but I just find the music so boring!
- Don't you listen to the lyrics then?
- Not if I don't like the music first.
- You're weird!
- I'm sorry!

All in all, it works better for me in this case to just READ the lyrics by way of a poem. So thanks for posting that!

But I must admit that I still don't see how you got from the Queens of Numenor to Springsteen's 'Down to the River' .. ? At least I don't see a lot of common ground between them.

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Re: Painting of Queens of Numenor

Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:37 pm

Lúthien wrote:[...] But I must admit that I still don't see how you got from the Queens of Numenor to Springsteen's 'Down to the River' .. ? At least I don't see a lot of common ground between them.
Da proof:
Davy Willis Lee wrote:[...] Now, I know that many of you here are artists, and so may object to it on some technical ground(s). But for a dude like me whose artistic skill may rise to drawing a stick figure brandishing its fist with a bubble caption over its head saying, "I live in a van down by the river! (but am soon to move to a house in Georgia)", it suits my purposes. :-)
It was simple "connect the vertices while ignoring any deeper meanings" drunken cognition. Q.E.D. B-)

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Re: Painting of Queens of Numenor

Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:46 pm

Lúthien wrote:[...] The music has a physical, chunky, repetitive quality and when Springsteen'sbest-known chorus then exists of a repeated "Born ... in the USA ... born! ... in the USA ... BORN .... (etcetera)" (which I remember thinking of like "I wonder why he stresses that so much?") - I probably unconsciously decided that this is not for me.
He's saying it so much because the song is actually criticizing the Empire, not praising it. It's about a Vietnam veteran who does his tours of duty and goes home after the conflict to discover that the America he came from doesn't exist anymore, and the variant he's in doesn't want him and wishes to pretend the whole thing never happened.

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Re: Painting of Queens of Numenor

Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:47 am

Well, Bruce tells it better than I do:



Lyrics:

The runway rushed up at him as he felt the wheels touch down
He stood out on the blacktop and took a taxi into town
He got out down on Main Street and went into a local bar
He bought a drink and found a seat in a corner off the dark
Well she called up her mama to make sure the kids were out of the house
She checked herself out in the dining room mirror
And undid an extra button on her blouse
He felt her lying next to him, the clock said 4:00 am
He was staring at the ceiling
He couldn't move his hands

CHORUS
Oh mama mama mama come quick
I've got the shakes and I'm gonna be sick
Throw your arms around me in the cold dark night
Hey now mama don't shut out the light
Don't you shut out the light
Don't you shut out the light
Don't you shut out the light
Don't you shut out the light

Well on his porch they stretched a banner that said "Johnny Welcome Home"
Bobby pulled his Ford out of the garage and they polished up the chrome
His mama said "Johnny oh Johnny, I'm so glad to have you back with me"
His pa said he was sure they'd give him his job back down at the factory

CHORUS

Well deep in a dark forest, a forest filled with rain
Beyond a stretch of Maryland pines there's a river without a name
In the cold black water Johnson Lineir stands
He stares across the lights of the city and dreams of where he's been

CHORUS

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