"The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

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"The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:10 pm

Interesting article:

[quote="Thomas Nagel (in the NYT")"][...] The physical sciences, in spite of their extraordinary success in their own domain, necessarily leave an important aspect of nature unexplained. Further, since the mental arises through the development of animal organisms, the nature of those organisms cannot be fully understood through the physical sciences alone. Finally, since the long process of biological evolution is responsible for the existence of conscious organisms, and since a purely physical process cannot explain their existence, it follows that biological evolution must be more than just a physical process, and the theory of evolution, if it is to explain the existence of conscious life, must become more than just a physical theory.

This means that the scientific outlook, if it aspires to a more complete understanding of nature, must expand to include theories capable of explaining the appearance in the universe of mental phenomena and the subjective points of view in which they occur – theories of a different type from any we have seen so far.[/quote]
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Re: "The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Post by Lúthien » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:45 pm

That seems to be wisely stated. though I'm sure that the Dawkinses have their smug answers to that, too :s

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Re: "The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Post by Meneldur Olvarion » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:02 am

Oh, no doubt. But, apparently from this BBC documentary, Einstein thought that quantum entaglement was an absolute crock of shit and had this long, sometimes rather heated, series of debates with Niels Bohr about it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -nightmare" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, the reports I've read about these debates say that they did not degenerate to personal animosity, but I bet you that if either one of them had an ego the size of Richard Dawkins', things would have gotten ugly very quickly. The whole "cult of personality" thing, you know.

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Re: "The Core of ‘Mind and Cosmos’"

Post by Lúthien » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:17 am

Yep, indeed.
Didn't come Einstein's quote "God doesn't play dice" from that debate?

I'm inclined to think that having a super-inflated ego should automatically disqualify that person's statements from serious consideration. Or maybe even that such an ego is a sickness in itself, interfering with the patient's sound judgement.

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